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NoCoPilot
Posts : 21082 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 70 Location : Seattle
| Subject: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:41 am | |
| This meme is repeated a lot in alt-right circles, and has been thrown at Hilary by Donald. But it is easily disprovable: - Quote :
- Did Hillary Clinton get rich from the Clinton Foundation?
The short answer: no. The long answer: nooooo.
On the surface its an easy question to answer: a quick trip to the foundation's website (Frequently Asked Questions) makes it clear that the Clintons (Bill, Chelsea, AND Hillary) do not take salary at all from the foundation:
"President Clinton and Chelsea Clinton, who serve on the Board of Directors, do not take a salary from the Clinton Foundation and receive no funding from it. Secretary Clinton did not take a salary when she served on the Board of Directors"
And before someone says well YEAH of COURSE they're lying! Here's the specific page from the foundation's IRS form 990 audtied filing that confirms that none of the Clintons receive any form of compensation from the foundation.
So that's the short answer: no.
Some people are trying desperately to fool people into believing that the fact that the foundation has some occasional large donors is indisputable evidence that Hillary is breaking a multitude of federal laws by somehow skimming millions off the top of the foundation and has successfully hidden those millions of missing dollars from the IRS and other agencies for decades.
It's an interesting theory that has absolutely no grounding in reality reflected through empirical evidence. There's been a lot of talk recently about the foundation but not much more. The foundation has been audited every year for decades (its the law) and it has never broken the law, let alone acted as a slush fund for the Clintons. Any insinuation to the contrary is an emotional one based on an irrational voter's partisan feelings, not actuality.
And that's the long answer: noooooooo.
As a side note: the Clintons earned their millions as highly successful lawyers before Bill became president and then afterwards, both earned a significant amount of money from speaking tours and book sales. Both are published and have made almost ~$15M from book sales alone. |
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richard09
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| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:31 pm | |
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_Howard Admin
Posts : 8735 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 80 Location : California
| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:30 pm | |
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richard09
Posts : 4341 Join date : 2013-01-16
| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:56 am | |
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NoCoPilot
Posts : 21082 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 70 Location : Seattle
| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:03 pm | |
| Yes. I wish her campaign would address these lies about her, instead of harping on about Donald's predatory behavior -- which as we all know, is not uncommon in politics (or even in her immediate family!) |
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_Howard Admin
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| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:08 pm | |
| Well, this settles it for me. |
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_Howard Admin
Posts : 8735 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 80 Location : California
| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:09 pm | |
| or maybe this... |
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NoCoPilot
Posts : 21082 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 70 Location : Seattle
| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:18 pm | |
| Is the Weekly World News another Rupert Murdoch enterprise, like Faux News? |
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richard09
Posts : 4341 Join date : 2013-01-16
| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:14 pm | |
| Generally speaking, Weekly World News is much more honest than a Murdoch effort. |
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NoCoPilot
Posts : 21082 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 70 Location : Seattle
| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:36 pm | |
| The glory of this election, is that no matter WHO wins we'll have at least four years of ribald comedy. |
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NoCoPilot
Posts : 21082 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 70 Location : Seattle
| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:15 am | |
| New Wikileaks revelations about the Clinton Foundation ties donations for international relief, to speech fees and "advisor fees" to Bill Clinton himself.
Geez, I wish Bernie had won. |
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richard09
Posts : 4341 Join date : 2013-01-16
| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:24 am | |
| But still don't enrich the Clintons, nor has a link to action (pay for play) been established. It's still nothing. |
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NoCoPilot
Posts : 21082 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 70 Location : Seattle
| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:54 am | |
| Yeah but, where there's smoke there's fire, and where there's stink there's shit. |
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richard09
Posts : 4341 Join date : 2013-01-16
| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:54 pm | |
| It remains more than a little farcical, since we already know that Trump's "foundation" is little more than a slush fund for his personal use, and evidence of that didn't need mysterious "leaks" to get exposed. At best, Trump is suggesting that the Clintons might be doing something that we know for damn sure he has done. |
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_Howard Admin
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| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:57 pm | |
| - NoCoPilot wrote:
- New Wikileaks revelations about the Clinton Foundation ties donations for international relief, to speech fees and "advisor fees" to Bill Clinton himself.
Did the leaks show just a correlation or was a causal relation proven? Big difference. |
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NoCoPilot
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| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:09 pm | |
| - CBS News wrote:
- They’re hitting the trail as a hacked 12-page memo posted by WikiLeaks reveals how former Clinton White House aide Doug Band worked to obtain “in-kind services for the President and his family – for personal travel, hospitality, vacation and the like.”
Band laid out how his company, Teneo, helped secure business for the former president from donors who were simultaneously giving to the Clinton Foundation, including two paid speeches to Barclays totaling more than $700,000. Laureate International Universities paid him $3.5 million to serve as honorary chairman.
In all, Band said he personally helped secure more than $50 million for the former president.
The memo was a response to an audit of the foundation, prompted by concerns expressed by Chelsea Clinton that Band and Teneo were “hustling” business at the Clinton Global Initiative.
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_Howard Admin
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| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:10 pm | |
| Just saw on the news that a plane Pence was on slid off the runway in New York. I wonder how they will pin that on the Clintons.
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_Howard Admin
Posts : 8735 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 80 Location : California
| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:11 pm | |
| - NoCoPilot wrote:
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- They’re hitting the trail as a hacked 12-page memo posted by WikiLeaks reveals how former Clinton White House aide Doug Band worked to obtain “in-kind services for the President and his family – for personal travel, hospitality, vacation and the like.”
If that's all there it, then it is meaningless. |
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NoCoPilot
Posts : 21082 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 70 Location : Seattle
| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:36 am | |
| You can't make this shit up!
Yesterday James Comey of the FBI released a letter to House Republicans indicating that the FBI's investigation of Hillary Clinton's e-mails was not over afterall (she'd been cleared of any wrongdoing in July).
Seems a laptop belonging to Anthony Weiner was seized by the FBI in their investigation of his sexting a 15-year old girl. In examining the laptop, they discovered that Weiner's wife, Huma Abedin, had used the laptop to exchange "thousands" of emails with Hillary in her role as the vice-chairman of Hillary's campaign. The FBI doesn't know if these are new emails, or just the other end of the same emails they examined on Clinton's mail server (which she turned over to them Aug 2015). They don't know if Abedin's emails included any classified material (but why would they???)
Republicans of course are jumping with glee over the investigation being re-opened 11 days before the election, saying this proves Hillary is crooked.
Democrats are saying this is politically motivated, nothing was found before and nothing will be found this time. Of course it'll take longer than 11 days to resolve this, meanwhile a huge cloud looms over Clinton just as people go to the polls.
Here's the interesting point. James Comey was appointed by George W. Bush and is openly partisan against Clinton. The timing was CLEARLY crafted to do maximum damage to her campaign.
Yet the Republican blogosphere on Fox is accusing Comey of not doing his job, of being part of a coverup, of being on Clinton's side for not indicting her in July. Comey may have released this letter to show Donald Trump that he's not cozying up to Clinton.
JFC, what a cluster. |
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NoCoPilot
Posts : 21082 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 70 Location : Seattle
| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:00 am | |
| If you read this site, which is clearly partisan against Clinton, you realize what a pile of shit the allegations are: - The Washington Post wrote:
- the legal requirement to immediately preserve emails from nongovernment email accounts was not made mandatory until nearly two years after she stepped down.
- The classification rules are complex, but, legal technicalities aside, the question is whether classified information was exchanged over her private email system. The answer is yes [on THREE emails out of 30,000, and those three are disputed...]
- Clinton obviously received emails from hundreds of people who realized she was using a private email address. But whether they understood it was her only means of electronic government communication is another question [yet]
- During congressional hearings, Clinton claimed that 90 to 95 percent of her emails were in the State Department system. She even wrongly suggested this calculation had been made by the State Department, when actually it was calculated by her staff. While not all of the emails she submitted to the State Department had been released at that point, what had been made available so far suggests that a substantial majority are to and from at least one “state.gov” email address. It is not an unreasonable assumption that these emails are contained somewhere within the bowels of the State Department.
- The emails in question were sent on an unclassified system — as they would have been if she had followed standard protocol and used a state.gov account. Under State Department practice, a request for public release of her emails would have been subject to the same classification discussion currently underway. Any “top secret” communications would have been withheld.
- The Clinton campaign has argued that some intelligence officials are now engaged in a game of overclassification [and after-the-fact "top secret" classification]
- At the most basic level, there is dispute over whether Clinton’s emails contained “classified” information.
- The only person who regularly used emails is a singular predecessor, Colin Powell. Powell did use his personal account on the job, and by his own admission no longer has access to the account he used then.
- FBI Director James Comey amended his answer to say she had not sent classified emails, and that her predecessors had also used private emails (we’ve awarded the latter claim Three Pinocchios). Many readers have disputed our Four Pinocchio update of Hillary Clinton’s claims denying there were classified materials in her emails, saying two of three emails Comey said were “marked classified” had “little C’s” in the body of the email rather than a banner classification header at the top of the email.
Jesus, the deeper you dig the more you realize what an inept hack hatchet job this whole thing is -- THREE emails, improperly marked, with NO EVIDENCE that her private email server was ever hacked. Unfuckingbelievable. |
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NoCoPilot
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| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:16 am | |
| Comey's actions remind me of J. Edgar Hoover during the Nixon Administration, and his attempts to influence elections.
Hopefully President Clinton's first act will be to throw his sorry ass out. |
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richard09
Posts : 4341 Join date : 2013-01-16
| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:33 pm | |
| At the time Comey sent his latest letter: - No emails had been inspected, so we don't even know for sure that any of them were to or from Hillary. It is a fair assumption that some of them, perhaps many, were, but we (and Comey) don't know. - We also don't know if any of these putative emails were not released and examined by the FBI already. If the only stuff there is copies of emails the FBI has already examined, there is literally nothing to investigate. - One thing we do know for sure is that any examination of these putative emails won't be complete until after the election. Can anyone say "October Surprise"?
At this point, Comey should be fired and denied pension. |
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NoCoPilot
Posts : 21082 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 70 Location : Seattle
| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:27 pm | |
| - richard09 wrote:
- At this point, Comey should be fired and denied pension.
Obama is a lame duck now, he can and should fire Comey's ass as a naked partisan act against a naked partisan hack. He's got nothing to lose, and Comey's despicable timing should be exposed for what it is. |
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richard09
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| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:00 pm | |
| According to this, none of the emails were to or from Hillary. |
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NoCoPilot
Posts : 21082 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 70 Location : Seattle
| Subject: Re: "The Clintons Got Rich Soliciting Donations from Dictators and Enemies of the U.S. for their Foundation" Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:59 am | |
| That seems highly unlikely, considered that Weiner's laptop was seized in an unrelated sexting-with-a-minor investigation, and only AFTER examining the laptop for two weeks did the FBI tell Congress that emails between Mrs. Weiner (Huma Abedin) and Mrs. Clinton were found on the laptop. No, I don't doubt they found correspondence. However, it's nearly certain that these emails are simply the other side of some of the 30,000+ emails examined on Hillary's email server back in 2015. It would have to be very unusual circumstances for Abedin to have one half of the correspondence if Hillary's server didn't have the other half. And, as Hillary's vice chairman of her campaign, Huma Abedin would have NO REASON and NO CLEARANCE for classified material. To suggest that Hillary shared any with her, long after she left the Sec't of State position, is asinine. Comey can and should be summarily removed from office, and charged under the Hatch Act.
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