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PostSubject: Book: The Age Of EM   Book: The Age Of EM EmptyTue May 21, 2019 9:22 pm

Subtitled "Work, Love, and Life When Robots Rule the Earth," (2016) this is a work of speculative science prediction by a non-scientist.  In fact, the author Robin Hanson is an Oxford economist.

That partially explains the huge gaps in his understanding.

For instance:

  • Hanson envisions mankind -- or our "brain emulations" (ems) downloaded to computers -- lasting millions or billions or trillions of years.  History argues otherwise
  • These "ems" will inhabit robot bodies, counterintuitively
  • Hanson claims England was the source of modern industrial society, when clearly the Dutch preceded the English by a few hundred years (or possibly the poorly-understood Vikings or Mayans even before them)
  • Hanson claims cities were created by agriculture, whereas most historians agree cities created the need for agriculture and animal husbandry
  • Hanson divides human history into three eras: foraging, farming and industrial.  He ascribes wide-ranging moralities to each one -- based on today's subsistence farmers
  • Hanson claims that as an economist he understands past eras better than scientists, and is thus able to project his findings into more accurate predictions than any scientist.  Serendipity apparently is not in his vocabulary
  • The author envisions interstellar travel being commonplace, colonization of other planets/solar systems/galaxies
  • The author seems to expect contact with extraterrestrial intelligences
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PostSubject: Re: Book: The Age Of EM   Book: The Age Of EM EmptyThu May 23, 2019 10:51 am


  • The author believes that the faster speed of electronic circuits versus the speed of neurons means that an electronic EM could run billions of times faster than a brain.  He has not considered the "deliberative" effect of slower speed
  • The author has so far completely ignored (or is ignorant of?) the staggering complexity of neuronal activity: thresholds, multiple pathways, electrical + chemical signals, limitations on fire rate, and so forth
  • The ever-changing topology of brain connections would be difficult, if not impossible, to duplicate in electronic circuits
  • The author believes EMs will become practical in under a hundred years, while true general AI may take several hundred to a thousand years
  • Hanson believes that EMs, being based on human brains, will need to sleep.  Will need periodic rest.  Will have angers and grievances and a sex drive
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PostSubject: Re: Book: The Age Of EM   Book: The Age Of EM EmptyFri May 24, 2019 9:34 am

The author is also fond of the "lazy author organization" which drives me nuts, where he says "In chapter 18 we will see that..." and "From chapter 7 we know that..."

Fuck, no.  "We" do not know anything, Bucky... and YOU should not be so fucking arrogant as to assume that your arguments are accepted before you have even presented them.  If you have any plan at all to convince the reader of your premise, you must lay out your case, brick by brick, in some kind of logical, building, order.  You lazy fucking asshole!
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PostSubject: Re: Book: The Age Of EM   Book: The Age Of EM EmptyFri May 24, 2019 10:17 am

The author is a moron.
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PostSubject: Re: Book: The Age Of EM   Book: The Age Of EM EmptySat May 25, 2019 8:13 pm

One of the sources frequently cited is nanotech fantasist Eric Drexler, who I happen to think is batshit crazy.  Derivations from work include such howlers as this one:
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Nanotech-based factories need not be much bigger than the products they make.


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PostSubject: Re: Book: The Age Of EM   Book: The Age Of EM EmptySun May 26, 2019 1:51 pm

I give up.  I'm less than halfway through and can't even bring myself to SKIM the remainder.

The straw that broke the camel's back was a discussion of how faster EMs may come to view slower EMs as "ghosts."

Life's too short to read bad books. The author *is* a moron.
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