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PostSubject: The Wisdom of the Voters   The Wisdom of the Voters EmptyTue Mar 03, 2015 5:55 am

There's a case before the Supreme Court this session, deciding the legality of voter referendums. It'll be interesting to see how this court -- a very pro-central authority court, but also having substantial individual liberty sentiments -- will decide.

In Washington DC 70% of the city's voters voted to make recreational marijuana legal. House Republicans have threatened to jail the mayor if she complies (to her credit, she said "Go ahead and try, assholes.")

In Washington State recreational marijuana is already legal but no federally-guaranteed bank will do business with the industry.

In Washington State citizens voted in a law mandating smaller class sizes. The legislature is scrambling to find the money, having already spent it on sports stadiums and ill-advised tunneling projects.

Our own "initiative king" Tim Eyman has launched dozens of initiatives, all aimed at making it harder for lawmakers to raise taxes. Several of his initiatives have been voted into law, only to be overturned by, surprise, the legislature or, surprise, the courts. Their rationale is always, "it would make it too hard to govern." Well duh, I think that's the point.

All this makes me wonder. Politicians, once they're in office, tend to forget who they're there to represent. Their loyalties tend to get bent by lobbyists and campaign contributors. Perhaps our "representative" government needs to move toward more "direct democracy" with more power in the hands of Mr & Mrs Joe Sixpack?
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PostSubject: Re: The Wisdom of the Voters   The Wisdom of the Voters EmptyTue Mar 03, 2015 7:17 am

If taxes were voluntary, which government functions would you fund?

Which would you defund?
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PostSubject: Re: The Wisdom of the Voters   The Wisdom of the Voters EmptyTue Mar 03, 2015 10:09 am

Not as simple a question as it first appears.

I do know that I would cut defense spending by at least fifty percent. Close the Department of Homeland Security. Eliminate all corporate welfare.

After that, it is probably a matter of revising the tax laws. The amount of taxes collected in this country is not excessive. The problem is in who pays the taxes and how they are spent.

The people who are constantly complaining about taxes are the first people to complain about potholes and long lines.

What is the case before SCOTUS about referendums? Is it one specific law or about the constitutionality of the referendum process?

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PostSubject: Re: The Wisdom of the Voters   The Wisdom of the Voters EmptyTue Mar 03, 2015 7:38 pm

_Howard wrote:
What is the case before SCOTUS about referendums? Is it one specific law or about the constitutionality of the referendum process?
A little of both.
http://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/390245031/high-court-case-tests-independent-redistricting-commissions
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PostSubject: Re: The Wisdom of the Voters   The Wisdom of the Voters EmptyTue Mar 03, 2015 7:47 pm

That's not a case about the constitutionality of the referendum process. It's just a case about redistricting and whether the Constitution prevents any body other than a state legislature from doing the redistricting. The Court has heard a number of cases involving laws that were passed be referendum (recently in California's Proposition 8 debacle), but I've never been aware of the Court hearing a case about the referendum process itself.

Thanks to a referendum, California's redistricting is no longer done by the legislature. And because of that, I have for the first time in many years been able to vote for a Democrat for the House. The district I'm in was so horribly gerrymandered that for many years the Democratic Party didn't even run a candidate for the House.
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PostSubject: Re: The Wisdom of the Voters   The Wisdom of the Voters EmptyTue Mar 03, 2015 7:51 pm

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PostSubject: Re: The Wisdom of the Voters   The Wisdom of the Voters EmptyWed Mar 04, 2015 10:15 am

Unfortunately, all we are suggesting is moving money from one pocket to another and does fuck all for the economy.
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