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| Subject: Atheist makes $100,000/yr selling bibles Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:24 am | |
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| | | _Howard Admin
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| Subject: Re: Atheist makes $100,000/yr selling bibles Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:03 pm | |
| For me, the incongruity is not an an atheist selling bibles, but xtians using the latest technology in pursuit of several-thousand-year-old mysticism.
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| | | NoCoPilot
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| Subject: Re: Atheist makes $100,000/yr selling bibles Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:30 pm | |
| Old Testicle dates from ~500-300 BC if memory serves. |
| | | _Howard Admin
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| Subject: Re: Atheist makes $100,000/yr selling bibles Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:36 pm | |
| Commonly thought to be around 1450-1400 BC.
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| Subject: Re: Atheist makes $100,000/yr selling bibles Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:19 pm | |
| Wiki (the source of all knowledge) disagrees. - Wikipedia wrote:
- The first five books – Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, book of Numbers and Deuteronomy – comprise the Torah, the story of Israel from the Genesis creation narrative to the death of Moses. Few scholars today doubt that it reached its present form in the Persian period (538–332 BC), and that its authors were the elite of exilic returnees who controlled the Temple at that time.[9]
The books of Joshua, Judges, Samuel and Kings follow, forming a history of Israel from the Conquest of Canaan to the Siege of Jerusalem c. 587 BC. There is a broad consensus among scholars that these originated as a single work (the so-called "Deuteronomistic history") during the Babylonian exile of the 6th century BC.[10] The two Books of Chronicles cover much the same material as the Pentateuch and Deuteronomistic history and probably date from the 4th century BC.[11]
Chronicles links with the books of Ezra and Nehemiah, which were probably finished during the 3rd century BC.[12] Catholic and Orthodox Old Testaments contain two (Catholic Old Testament) to four (Orthodox) Books of Maccabees, written in the 2nd and 1st centuries BC.
The history books make up around half the total content of the Old Testament. Of the remainder, the books of the various prophets – Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel and the twelve "minor prophets" – were written between the 8th and 6th centuries BC, with the exceptions of Jonah and Daniel, which were written much later.[13] The "wisdom" and other books – Job, Proverbs and so on – date from between the 5th century BC and the 2nd or 1st BC, with the exception of some of the Psalms.[14] |
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| Subject: Re: Atheist makes $100,000/yr selling bibles Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:35 pm | |
| Even Zoroastrianism, the foundation of Xtianity, isn't that old. - Wikipedia wrote:
- Origins
According to Richard Foltz the roots of Zoroastrianism emerged from a common prehistoric Indo-Iranian religious system dating back to the early 2nd millennium BCE.[15] In Zoroastrian tradition, Zoroaster was a reformer who exalted the deity of Wisdom, Ahura Mazda, to the status of Supreme Being and Creator, while demoting various other deities and rejecting certain rituals.
Classical antiquity
Farvahar. Persepolis, Iran. Although older, Zoroastrianism only enters recorded history in the mid-5th century BCE. Herodotus' The Histories (completed c. 440 BCE) includes a description of Greater Iranian society with what may be recognizably Zoroastrian features, including exposure of the dead.
The Histories is a primary source of information on the early period of the Achaemenid era (648–330 BCE), in particular with respect to the role of the Magi. According to Herodotus i.101, the Magi were the sixth tribe of the Medians (until the unification of the Persian empire under Cyrus the Great, all Iranians were referred to as "Mede" or "Mada" by the peoples of the Ancient World), who appear to have been the priestly caste of the Mesopotamian-influenced branch of Zoroastrianism today known as Zurvanism, and who wielded considerable influence at the courts of the Median emperors.
Following the unification of the Median and Persian empires in 550 BCE, Cyrus the Great and, later, his son Cambyses II curtailed the powers of the Magi after they had attempted to sow dissent following their loss of influence. In 522 BCE, the Magi revolted and set up a rival claimant to the throne. The usurper, pretending to be Cyrus' younger son Smerdis, took power shortly thereafter.[16] Owing to the despotic rule of Cambyses and his long absence in Egypt, "the whole people, Persians, Medes and all the other nations" acknowledged the usurper, especially as he granted a remission of taxes for three years (Herodotus iii. 68). |
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| Subject: Re: Atheist makes $100,000/yr selling bibles Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:30 pm | |
| The older parts of the old testament are written-down versions of oral tradition, though. So while their current written form may well have been finalised in the 800-500 BC period, the original (oral) form no doubt dates back further, perhaps quite a bit further.
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| Subject: Re: Atheist makes $100,000/yr selling bibles Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:26 am | |
| It's not as old as the pyramids though. Western civilization was still sharpening sticks and playing with fire. |
| | | _Howard Admin
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| Subject: Re: Atheist makes $100,000/yr selling bibles Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:35 pm | |
| It certainly appears that the new version of the Torah's appearance does not agree with what I recalled. In looking over various pages of the InterWeb, it is easy to find varying versions of the dating of the book. I think the later dates are probably more likely accurate, but you can still find writings that give the earlier date.
Doesn't make a fucking bit of difference in the real world, any way you look at it.
My original post about the ancient mysticism wasn't referring to christianity specifically, but to the practice of religion and the belief in sky spooks in general. |
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