Guns Gotta Go

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Subject: Re: Guns Gotta Go Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:12 pm

HuffPost wrote:: A bipartisan group of senators announced a deal on an outline of a bill meant to address gun violence, with modest curbs on obtaining firearms and aid for mental health and schools.

“Today, we are announcing a commonsense, bipartisan proposal to protect America’s children, keep our schools safe, and reduce the threat of violence across our country. Families are scared, and it is our duty to come together and get something done that will help restore their sense of safety and security in their communities,” the group said in a statement on Sunday. “We look forward to earning broad, bipartisan support and passing our commonsense proposal into law.”

The group counts 10 Democrats and 10 Republicans ― the latter number suggesting the agreement may be able to overcome a filibuster. Their outline is an agreement on principles and still needs to be turned into legislative text, however, a task that is usually more difficult to complete.

Prediction: At least one (and possibly ALL) of the Republicans on the task force will vote against their own proposal, as soon as the NRA flexes its muscle and threatens to primary them. Congress will then credibly claim "well we tried" before once again, as always, doing nothing.

These shooters need to get into DC private schools.

Subject: Re: Guns Gotta Go Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:54 am

Thom Hartmann wrote:: That’s to treat guns the same way we treat cars.

Back around the turn of the 20th century, cars were replacing horses in a really big way and three problems became evident.

The first was that there were a lot of people driving them who really didn’t know how to drive, and they were hurting and killing themselves and other people.

Second was that people were stealing them and it was difficult to track them back to their owners, even when they were found.

And the third problem was that completely innocent breadwinners who were driving just fine would get hit by other drivers, typically accidentally, but regardless of the intention of the other driver they would end up dead or injured for life, wiping out the ability to support their families.

Over the course of a few decades, we figured out a simple solution to all three of these problems.

Register cars so there’s a provable chain of ownership; require a license to drive that can only be obtained by proving proficiency as a driver and an understanding of the rules of the road; and liability insurance so if someone was injured or killed they or their family wouldn’t be financially wiped out.

We’ve fine-tuned the liability insurance part of that in pretty much every state with “no fault“ policies so, regardless of the intent or incompetence of whichever driver caused the death or injury, the injured party gets compensated without a lot of lawsuits and court activity.

So why not simply apply the same logic to guns?

When you buy a gun, it gets registered with the state. Every year that registration is renewed for a small fee that covers the expenses to the state of gun injuries, gun suicides, and gun homicides. If you lose or sell that gun, just like if your car gets stolen or sold, you immediately notify the state. Having or using a gun that is unregistered would be just as much an offense as trying to drive an unregistered car on the freeway without a license plate.

When you go to buy a car, they typically ask for your driver’s license. This is mostly to identify you, because no state requires you to have a driver’s license in order to buy a car, but every state in the union requires you to have a driver’s license to drive that car off the lot. Thus, no car dealer wants the responsibility or liability of letting an unlicensed and therefore presumably incompetent driver loose on the streets.

Subject: Re: Guns Gotta Go Fri May 19, 2023 6:54 am

Chris Hayes podcast right now is about guns and gun culture, I think it's a rebroadcast from 2022. His guest is a former gun industry executive who's written a book on how the NRA -- not the gun industry -- made a conscious decision (they have tapes) after Obama was elected, to sow fear and distrust and racial animus to sell guns.

The industry was always very safety conscious, promoting responsible gun ownership, but when sales EXPLODED after 2016, they learned to shut the fuck up and let the NRA drive the narrative.

It's way beyond disgusting, because this leads the culture wars, with the evolution of gun owners from hunting enthusiasts -- whom nobody begrudges -- to insurrectionists, who feel they need an AR-15 to overthrow the next liberal administration.

Jaw droppingly horrifying.

And no easy answers.

Subject: Re: Guns Gotta Go Fri May 19, 2023 7:03 am

What will it take to break the cycle?

It wasn't mentioned in the podcast, but I can speculate. Shooting up some random schoolkids isn't enough to change the narrative. Shooting up a bunch of BLM protestors wouldn't do it.

It's going to take something bigger and closer to home. A couple congresspeople, some national politicians, actors or spokesmen. Somebody high profile and respected on the right.

And the radicalized right is certainly headed that direction.

Subject: Re: Guns Gotta Go Mon May 22, 2023 7:03 pm

Rachel Maddow just mentioned that private militias are against state law in all 50 states. Yay! This should be mentioned more, it should be used to arrest and prosecute Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and The 3%ers and all the Nazi groups from coast to coast who are policing and harassing pride marches and drag shows. That shit is straight up illegal.

It also, by the way, means that none of these clowns is authorized by the Second Amendment to carry guns.

The Second Amendment wrote:: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Since these private militias are illegal, they are not "well-regulated" and therefore these people are constitutionally barred from owning firearms.
https://www.thetrace.org/2022/04/militias-legal-armed-demonstration/

Quote :: People focus on the Second Amendment while ignoring Congress’s Article One powers to organize and train the militia, and call forth the militia,” she said. In other words, a private militia that deploys itself, without the permission of the state or federal government, is illegal.

It's a clear case. Why is nobody prosecuting it?

Subject: Re: Guns Gotta Go Wed Jun 14, 2023 2:16 pm

Texas has found a simple solution to gun violence.

They are mandating a "panic button" inside every classroom, at a cost of $1.7 million.

That way, police can arrive quickly and stand around outside the building waiting for the shooting to stop.

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