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PostSubject: The Future of Politics in America   Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:49 am

An NPR commentator mentioned this morning that the Republican party was solidified under Donald Trump last night, places where they won were Trump strongpoints while more moderate Republicans lost. This saddened him, as a former Republican, because the party of Reagan and Lincoln is now unrecognizable to him.

He said the Republican party is now, for all intents and purposes, the party of old misogynistic xenophobic white men. It is the party of, essentially, White Nationalism. White Supremacy.

Meanwhile the Democrats are consolidated, not under their new rainbow-colored progressively-liberal freshman class, but under the ossified old power-elite leadership of Nancy Pelosi et al. The newly-energized anti-Trump coalitions are going to be sorely disappointed by the rapid return to "business as usual" in Washington.

Seems to me, this is the perfect opportunity for a new third party.

One that is socially liberal but fiscally conservative. One that embraces change -- the ne plus ultra of both Obama & Trump -- but without the embedded power structures that resist change.

Get some big Soros money, some big Hollywood money behind it and it could change the landscape in 2020. Leave both WWII parties behind and give the next generations a vote.

I could really see this happening.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:08 am

Edit: No, I couldn't. Who am I kidding.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:18 pm

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One that is socially liberal but fiscally conservative

You have just described the government of California under Jerry Brown. You remember California - the state with the fifth largest economy in the world, and a five billion dollar budget surplus? And a predominantly very liberal state.

By the way, Nancy Pelosi was one of the best House Speakers ever. Under her leadership, the House got a lot done. The only people I know who slam Pelosi are Republicans - and they only do it because they parrot the remarks of the Republicans in and running for office, not because of anything Pelosi did - just a large lack of knowledge.


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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:46 pm

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Nancy Pelosi was one of the best House Speakers ever. Under her leadership, the House got a lot done.
When was this again?
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:14 am

Look it up for yourself.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:27 pm

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Meanwhile the Democrats are consolidated, not under their new rainbow-colored progressively-liberal freshman class, but under the ossified old power-elite leadership of Nancy Pelosi et al.  The newly-energized anti-Trump coalitions are going to be sorely disappointed by the rapid return to "business as usual" in Washington.

Unless Barbara Lee is nominated and selected.



I signed the petition and sent notes to both my Representatives.

Sherrod Brown or Elizabeth Warren for Senate Minority Leader makes sense too.


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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:29 pm

The main reason Democrats got the shit kicked out of themselves in 2016 was that they were playing softball.

The Republicans have been playing hardball.

Democrats were disaffected by eight years of pussy-Obama, who wasted his whole administration "trying to find compromise," looking for common ground with the radical right-wing, conceding defeat at every available opportunity.  We sent a negotiator to the White House instead of a fighter.  What a golden missed opportunity!

Obama failed the whole hopey-changey thing.  He failed to close Guantenamo, he failed immigration policy, he failed to hold Dick Cheney accountable, he failed on Universal Heathcare, he failed on internet neutrality, he failed to rein in Wall Street, he failed infrastructure, he failed to expose the right wing assholes for what they are, he failed, he failed, he failed.

Trump won in '16 because too many Democrats stayed home.  And they stayed home because Billary was going to be Obama Part 2.  She was no answer to why Obama failed us, she was just more of the same.  Politicians beholden to business and the military.

I believe Tuesday's election finally took the temperature of Democrats in this country.  Give us liberal, progressive, diverse candidates and we'll support them IN DROVES.  Hell, our local Seattle avowed socialist won 82.4% of the vote!

The Atlantic wrote: "Second, the vote administered enough Democratic disappointment to check the party’s most self-destructive tendencies. If Beto O’Rourke had eked it out in Texas, Democrats might well have nominated him for president in 2020, almost guaranteeing a debacle. There is no progressive majority in America. There is no progressive plurality in America. And there certainly is no progressive Electoral College coalition in America."

But after Tuesday's election I'm not so sure.  If you look at the candidates voters elected, they're the most diverse, most progressive, most actively-left-wing set of candidates in my lifetime.  Maybe the Atlantic is dead wrong on this.

Maybe there *IS* a progressive plurality in America.

Maybe a Beto O'Rourke is EXACTLY what we need to resuscitate the donkey.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:49 am

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The main reason Democrats got the shit kicked out of themselves in 2016 was that they were playing softball.  The Republicans have been playing hardball.

This statement actually raises a lot of thorny questions.  It's been statistically proven that conservatives make up less than 30% of the electorate*, so in order to enact their agenda they've had to resort to technically-legal but morally-questionable tactics such as disenfranchising voters, gerrymandering districts, and putting out ballots that make it hard to vote for other candidates.  These are perfectly legal examples of "dirty politics" and they've been doing it as long as I've been alive.  It has allowed them to pack SCOTUS and 21 state governments (though they lost ten last week).

As of January 2019 Democrats will control 24 states, versus 11 for the Republicans (with 15 other states being considered "competitive" or not single-party)  This gives Democrats the opportunity to gerrymander to their own benefit, and stack the deck in their own honor.

Will they do it? Should they do it?

The argument can be made that on any level playing field the progressive liberals will win without any dirty tricks.  However there's still a substantial -- and critical -- number of independent voters that must be courted.  And no political demographic is forever -- Dems will only hold the majority if they govern well (see what the Repubs did to themselves in only two short years!)

* - Wikipedia says, "As of October 2017, Gallup polling found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrat, 24% identified as Republican, and 42% as Independent. Additionally, polling showed that 46% are either "Democrats or Democratic leaners" and 39% are either "Republicans or Republican leaners" when Independents are asked "do you lean more to the Democratic Party or the Republican Party?"  If you do the math on that, it comes out to the country being 45% Democratic, 40% Republican, and 15% swing voters.  Therefore any national Democratic winner needs to appeal to a minimum of 1/3 of independent voters, while a Republican needs 2/3 of them.



On the other hand, Democrats had a dynastic hold over politics from, what, 1933 to about 1980?  Stories of suppression of Republicans were legion.  That's why Reagan emerged and the whole "take back the country" movement gained acceptance.

Ascendant Democrats will be mindful of their shameful past.

But hopefully not so much that they continue to use the sissy baseball.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:09 am

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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:32 am

There's a movement afoot to replace Pelosi. We'll see if they have the votes.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:55 am

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Meanwhile the Democrats are consolidated, not under their new rainbow-colored progressively-liberal freshman class, but under the ossified old power-elite leadership of Nancy Pelosi et al.  The newly-energized anti-Trump coalitions are going to be sorely disappointed by the rapid return to "business as usual" in Washington.
"the most expansive Congressional Progressive Caucus in history" is striving for a place at the table.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:39 am

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Unless Barbara Lee is nominated and selected..

Or Marcia Fudge, another progressive Black woman.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:21 pm

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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:14 pm

Trump wants Pelosi as Speaker.  That alone should give Democrats pause.

On the other hand, there's a better-than-nominal chance that whoever becomes Speaker of the House in January will end up as president before the year is out.
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