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PostSubject: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptyWed Nov 07, 2018 6:49 am

An NPR commentator mentioned this morning that the Republican party was solidified under Donald Trump last night, places where they won were Trump strongpoints while more moderate Republicans lost. This saddened him, as a former Republican, because the party of Reagan and Lincoln is now unrecognizable to him.

He said the Republican party is now, for all intents and purposes, the party of old misogynistic xenophobic white men. It is the party of, essentially, White Nationalism. White Supremacy.

Meanwhile the Democrats are consolidated, not under their new rainbow-colored progressively-liberal freshman class, but under the ossified old power-elite leadership of Nancy Pelosi et al. The newly-energized anti-Trump coalitions are going to be sorely disappointed by the rapid return to "business as usual" in Washington.

Seems to me, this is the perfect opportunity for a new third party.

One that is socially liberal but fiscally conservative. One that embraces change -- the ne plus ultra of both Obama & Trump -- but without the embedded power structures that resist change.

Get some big Soros money, some big Hollywood money behind it and it could change the landscape in 2020. Leave both WWII parties behind and give the next generations a vote.

I could really see this happening.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptyWed Nov 07, 2018 10:08 am

Edit: No, I couldn't. Who am I kidding.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptyWed Nov 07, 2018 5:18 pm

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One that is socially liberal but fiscally conservative

You have just described the government of California under Jerry Brown. You remember California - the state with the fifth largest economy in the world, and a five billion dollar budget surplus? And a predominantly very liberal state.

By the way, Nancy Pelosi was one of the best House Speakers ever. Under her leadership, the House got a lot done. The only people I know who slam Pelosi are Republicans - and they only do it because they parrot the remarks of the Republicans in and running for office, not because of anything Pelosi did - just a large lack of knowledge.


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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptyWed Nov 07, 2018 5:46 pm

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Nancy Pelosi was one of the best House Speakers ever. Under her leadership, the House got a lot done.
When was this again?
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptyThu Nov 08, 2018 9:14 am

Look it up for yourself.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptySat Nov 10, 2018 6:27 pm

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Meanwhile the Democrats are consolidated, not under their new rainbow-colored progressively-liberal freshman class, but under the ossified old power-elite leadership of Nancy Pelosi et al.  The newly-energized anti-Trump coalitions are going to be sorely disappointed by the rapid return to "business as usual" in Washington.

Unless Barbara Lee is nominated and selected.



I signed the petition and sent notes to both my Representatives.

Sherrod Brown or Elizabeth Warren for Senate Minority Leader makes sense too.


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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptySat Nov 10, 2018 8:29 pm

The main reason Democrats got the shit kicked out of themselves in 2016 was that they were playing softball.

The Republicans have been playing hardball.

Democrats were disaffected by eight years of pussy-Obama, who wasted his whole administration "trying to find compromise," looking for common ground with the radical right-wing, conceding defeat at every available opportunity.  We sent a negotiator to the White House instead of a fighter.  What a golden missed opportunity!

Obama failed the whole hopey-changey thing.  He failed to close Guantenamo, he failed immigration policy, he failed to hold Dick Cheney accountable, he failed on Universal Heathcare, he failed on internet neutrality, he failed to rein in Wall Street, he failed infrastructure, he failed to expose the right wing assholes for what they are, he failed, he failed, he failed.

Trump won in '16 because too many Democrats stayed home.  And they stayed home because Billary was going to be Obama Part 2.  She was no answer to why Obama failed us, she was just more of the same.  Politicians beholden to business and the military.

I believe Tuesday's election finally took the temperature of Democrats in this country.  Give us liberal, progressive, diverse candidates and we'll support them IN DROVES.  Hell, our local Seattle avowed socialist won 82.4% of the vote!

The Atlantic wrote: "Second, the vote administered enough Democratic disappointment to check the party’s most self-destructive tendencies. If Beto O’Rourke had eked it out in Texas, Democrats might well have nominated him for president in 2020, almost guaranteeing a debacle. There is no progressive majority in America. There is no progressive plurality in America. And there certainly is no progressive Electoral College coalition in America."

But after Tuesday's election I'm not so sure.  If you look at the candidates voters elected, they're the most diverse, most progressive, most actively-left-wing set of candidates in my lifetime.  Maybe the Atlantic is dead wrong on this.

Maybe there *IS* a progressive plurality in America.

Maybe a Beto O'Rourke is EXACTLY what we need to resuscitate the donkey.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptyTue Nov 13, 2018 9:49 am

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The main reason Democrats got the shit kicked out of themselves in 2016 was that they were playing softball.  The Republicans have been playing hardball.

This statement actually raises a lot of thorny questions.  It's been statistically proven that conservatives make up less than 30% of the electorate*, so in order to enact their agenda they've had to resort to technically-legal but morally-questionable tactics such as disenfranchising voters, gerrymandering districts, and putting out ballots that make it hard to vote for other candidates.  These are perfectly legal examples of "dirty politics" and they've been doing it as long as I've been alive.  It has allowed them to pack SCOTUS and 21 state governments (though they lost ten last week).

As of January 2019 Democrats will control 24 states, versus 11 for the Republicans (with 15 other states being considered "competitive" or not single-party)  This gives Democrats the opportunity to gerrymander to their own benefit, and stack the deck in their own honor.

Will they do it? Should they do it?

The argument can be made that on any level playing field the progressive liberals will win without any dirty tricks.  However there's still a substantial -- and critical -- number of independent voters that must be courted.  And no political demographic is forever -- Dems will only hold the majority if they govern well (see what the Repubs did to themselves in only two short years!)

* - Wikipedia says, "As of October 2017, Gallup polling found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrat, 24% identified as Republican, and 42% as Independent. Additionally, polling showed that 46% are either "Democrats or Democratic leaners" and 39% are either "Republicans or Republican leaners" when Independents are asked "do you lean more to the Democratic Party or the Republican Party?"  If you do the math on that, it comes out to the country being 45% Democratic, 40% Republican, and 15% swing voters.  Therefore any national Democratic winner needs to appeal to a minimum of 1/3 of independent voters, while a Republican needs 2/3 of them.

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On the other hand, Democrats had a dynastic hold over politics from, what, 1933 to about 1980?  Stories of suppression of Republicans were legion.  That's why Reagan emerged and the whole "take back the country" movement gained acceptance.

Ascendant Democrats will be mindful of their shameful past.

But hopefully not so much that they continue to use the sissy baseball.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptyWed Nov 14, 2018 4:32 am

There's a movement afoot to replace Pelosi. We'll see if they have the votes.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptyFri Nov 16, 2018 4:55 am

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Meanwhile the Democrats are consolidated, not under their new rainbow-colored progressively-liberal freshman class, but under the ossified old power-elite leadership of Nancy Pelosi et al.  The newly-energized anti-Trump coalitions are going to be sorely disappointed by the rapid return to "business as usual" in Washington.
"the most expansive Congressional Progressive Caucus in history" is striving for a place at the table.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptySat Nov 17, 2018 6:39 am

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Unless Barbara Lee is nominated and selected..

Or Marcia Fudge, another progressive Black woman.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptySat Nov 17, 2018 2:14 pm

Trump wants Pelosi as Speaker.  That alone should give Democrats pause.

On the other hand, there's a better-than-nominal chance that whoever becomes Speaker of the House in January will end up as president before the year is out.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptyFri Feb 19, 2021 6:51 am

Bill Weld is talking about creating a new anti-Trump Republican party.  Here's a thought, why not kick the Orange Cancer out of the party and make him form his own?
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptySat Mar 13, 2021 8:49 pm

I don't generally watch political TV, but I came across this clip that seems appropriate for this thread.

https://youtu.be/av78sK__3rg
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptySat Mar 13, 2021 9:20 pm

Yeah I saw it when it was broadcast.

Coincidentally, this evening I started watching a Netflix series called "Canine Intervention," about a guy who helps owners with unmanageable dogs.  Dogs that bite, or dogs that cannot be walked in public.  Sort like Cesar Milan "The Dog Whisperer" but with more extreme behavior problems.  These are dogs that'll have to be put down if they can't be trained.

He does wonders with them.  In just a few minutes, he can focus a dog and make it start trying to please him.  He can socialize a dog that is aggressive, he can calm a dog that is totally nutzoid.

What's his secret?  These dogs mostly just need a pack leader.  Dogs are naturally hierarchical, and unless you establish yourself as his leader, he'll try to assume that role himself.  They're perfectly happy to give you that role -- it's less stressful on them by far.  All you have to do is show a little leadership and discipline.

That's the Republican Party and Donald J. Trump.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptyFri Mar 19, 2021 7:37 pm

Why 12 GOP reps opposed Congressional Gold Medals for Capitol police
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Politico reported yesterday that some of Donald Trump's congressional allies tried to "scrub references to the insurrection" from the resolution that honored police officers who defended lawmakers during an insurrectionist attack. Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), in particular, circulated an alternative resolution that sought to downplay the events of Jan. 6 and the sacrifices of Officers Brian Sicknick and Jeffrey Smith.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptySun Jun 06, 2021 7:56 am

Joe Manchin is apparently motivated by all the attention his ridiculous stance has brought to him, rather than any practical considerations.

Once again, Biden is wearing boxing gloves in an Ultimate Fighter ring.  Lynden Johnson would've gotten his party in line.  Unless he bares his knuckles he'll go down in history as another useless president.  Fuck, I think he's already spoiled most of his momentum.

He's setting up the Republicans for big wins in '22, and Trump will escape jail through executive immunity once again.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptyMon Jun 07, 2021 9:17 pm

On further investigation, Joe Manchin's motivations are not personal fame.  Nobody in left-wing media is talking about this, but the answer is out there.

HR1, the "For The People" bill, not only preserves voting rights and makes it easier to vote and outlaws gerrymandering, it also makes "dark money" illegal in campaigns, essentially reversing Citizens United. Obviously this is what Manchin is objecting to, no more hidden campaign donations from, say, coal producers in West Virginia.

Why isn't anyone calling him out on this??
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptyWed Jun 09, 2021 11:23 am

From Quora. All emphasis in the original.

Why have Europeans not changed much about their views about America even though Biden replaced Trump?

Alex Denethorn
, British, but heavily interested in US Politics


Why would we have done? Let’s get a few things straight:
 

  • Biden has only been in office since January. That sure as hell isn’t enough time to change everything, and let’s be honest: there are a lot of changes needed to make the US the nation it should be.

  • Donald Trump not only got the better part of 75 million votes in the election, but he has since persisted with lies regarding the 2020 election, and fired up his supporters to the point that they initiated an attack on the US Capitol. He has since continued to embrace conspiracy theories and even claims that he’ll be back in the White House by August. This man is extraordinarily dangerous, and has sufficient support to be a real threat to the foundational integrity of the United States.

  • We’re witnessing a spate of anti-democratic legislation at the state level, led by the Republicans, all aimed at making voting harder. It’s ostensibly all in the name of “election security”, but in reality, it’s all aimed at ensuring Republican political dominance, even though they’re a demographic minority.

Beyond that, there’s a simple reality: we’re watching the collapse of the United States in real time. The foundations of democracy are being eroded as we speak, and we’re seeing persistent attacks on it from the Republicans, who are intent on setting themselves up as an authoritarian single-party state, not overly dissimilar to what we see in North Korea.

The presence of Joe Biden and the Democrats in office would be heartening were it not for the fact that it’s almost certainly a temporary holding action. The Republicans are taking action to ensure they regain a majority in the House and Senate, and if Donald Trump or someone likes him takes the Presidency in 2024, you can kiss goodbye to the nation we know as the United States.

In that eventuality, I can’t see the US remaining a singular power. The union is almost bound to fracture and dissolve, and it won’t do so peacefully. The Republicans have made it clear that they want power at any cost, and we’re looking at a nation in dire economic straits with a collapsing infrastructure, and instead of trying to make the nation a better place, the GOP are obstructing every legislative move the Democrats make, whilst simultaneously positioning themselves to turn a constitutional democracy into an authoritarian dictatorship led by Donald Trump.

The US didn’t turn a corner, and didn’t change direction: the brakes simply got put on, delaying that downhill slide for just a moment.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptyThu Jun 10, 2021 12:40 pm

I sure-as-heckfire do not understand Krysten Sinema or Joe Manchin. They bark on and on about "bipartisanship" and "finding consensus" but Jesus Fuck.  McConnell has already come out and said he won't let ANY Republican senator vote for ANYTHING Joe Biden wants, simply because Joe Biden's name is on it.  He did the exact same thing to Obama, even rejecting Republican bills when Obama agreed to them.

Are the Dems really that stoopid?
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Politics in America   The Future of Politics in America EmptyThu Jun 10, 2021 10:01 pm

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Obviously this is what Manchin is objecting to, no more hidden campaign donations from, say, coal producers in West Virginia.

And others...
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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., suggested that Manchin's opposition to the proposal and filibuster reform may really be about measures in the bill aimed at cracking down on lobbyists and dark money.

"This is probably just as much a part of Joe Manchin's calculus than anything else," she told MSNBC on Tuesday. "You look at the Koch brothers and you look at organizations like the Heritage Foundation and conservative lobby groups that are doing a victory lap ... over the fact that Manchin refuses to change on the filibuster. And I think that these two things are very closely intertwined."

Americans for Prosperity, a group backed by billionaire Republican donor Charles Koch, has explicitly targeted Manchin in its pressure campaign to defeat the legislation even though their own data shows that provisions cracking down on dark money are highly popular, including among Republican voters. Heritage Action, the advocacy arm of the Koch-backed Heritage Foundation, organized a rally earlier this year to pressure Manchin to oppose the bill. Heritage Action has also partnered with the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) to craft model voting-restriction laws for Republican state legislators. A Heritage Action organizer boasted in a video obtained by Mother Jones that the group was behind key provisions of the controversial law recently passed in Georgia.

"Joe Manchin isn't moved by leaders who have spent decades organizing for civil rights," Rep. Jamaal Bowman, D-N.Y., tweeted after Manchin that said his position on the For the People Act had not changed after meeting with civil rights leaders on Tuesday. "Manchin isn't moved by the views of his constituents. Manchin isn't moved by GOP voter suppression bills in 43 states. Because Manchin is only moved by corporate donors and their agenda."
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