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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:43 pm

How do you propose to prove there are no fairies in your garden, or that you don't have four arms, four legs and two heads?

You are DEDUCING that these things are not true because they seem unlikely to you. It seems self-evident to you that these are nonsense, because they are outside the realm of your experience.

Quod erat demonstrandum.
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:49 pm

I asked if you can prove the negative that I do not have four arms, four legs, and two heads?
I can prove it easily, even though it's a negative.

I have no garden. Ergo, I have no fairies in my garden.
And this kind of question is nothing but nonsense.

I am deducing nothing, I KNOW these things to be factual.
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:09 pm

Fine.  By that logic, I KNOW it to be factual that there is no life elsewhere in the universe, so it's ridiculous to keep bringing that up as a reason for space exploration.

No one can prove otherwise.
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:55 am

We can't prove that there's life elsewhere in the universe because we can't go and find it. But you can prove that there's no life anywhere else in the universe because... we can't go and find it.
Your "logic" is insane.
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:32 pm

Let me be more clear.

It's not that I can prove or disprove life off-Earth. It's that IT DOESN'T MATTER one way or the other. There is absolutely zero benefit, and absolutely zero danger. If there is, or if there isn't, not only cannot be proven but the answer is of no consequence.
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:05 pm

Which brings us back to  my original question: Why are you so vehement in your insistence that extraterrestrial life does not exist?
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:13 pm

I'm vehement that couching every space mission, every telescope survey, every NASA funding request (and scuttling the Cassini mission) in terms of "the search for life in the universe" is wrong-headed, stupid, misleading, counter-productive and anti-scientific.
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:22 pm

None of which has anything to do with the question of off-Earth life.
If you want to be angry with government spending, there are many better places to put your anger.
This article gives a good overview of NASA's budget. It might calm you down a little.
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:04 pm

Of course, if they took a little of that NASA money and used it for providing decent internet service out here, I wouldn't complain.
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:19 pm

More utter crap masquerading as "science."
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Dr. Seth Shostak of the SETI Institute told Kaku that he believes we will make contact before 2025, though he upped that number by 10 years in a recent article for science magazine The Nautilus.

“I’ve bet a cup of coffee to any and all that by 2035 we’ll have evidence of ET,” Shostak wrote. “I’m optimistic by nature — as a scientist, you have to be . . . I feel that we’re on the cusp of learning something truly revolutionary.”
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Note that this Shostak garden tool says "make contact."  Not "have evidence of."  But even THAT would have been ludicrous.

Christ! This moron has a PhD. in astrophysics from C.I.T. Are they selling those on cereal boxes now???
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:06 am

NoCoPilot wrote:
Note that this Shostak garden tool says "make contact."  Not "have evidence of."

Actually, he said both.
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:09 pm

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As if moons of Saturn harbor life... and that life would be affected (negatively) by earth microbes.

They are still looking.
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:13 pm

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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:31 pm

A rather more sane discussion of the topic.

The Great Filter—the most important question in history
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:09 pm

The article may be a bit more sane - maybe, but the author is no more accurate or persuasive than most other articles that take his position regarding the lack of existence of life on other planets.

Here is where he lost my interest:
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But clearly there are not a large number of alien civilizations. In fact all the evidence we have suggests that there are exactly none.
It is quite possible that there are not a large number of alien civilizations. I won't dispute that. But his remark that "In fact all the evidence we have suggests that there are exactly none" is bullshit. What evidence is he talking about? We do not, as far as I know, have any evidence at all to indicate that there are no intelligent alien species. The fact that we do not have evidence of the existence of alien intelligent life is not the same as having evidence that there are none.
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:32 pm

Fermi paradox
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:26 pm

The thrust of the article is that something may be preventing technological civilizations from surviving long enough to spread across the galaxy. This "great filter" would explain the Fermi paradox, without denying that life occurs elsewhere, even lots of elsewhere. And trying to identify what is the biggest stumbling block would obviously be a very good thing for us to do. Otherwise we are doomed to repeat the mistake(s) of all the other technological civilizations that came before us.
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:46 am

Primitive life is possible on nearby exoplanet, scientists say



There are only a few small problems with this idea:

  1. temperature of this planet is -274 Fahrenheit
  2. the planet is permanently encased in ice
  3. the star this planet orbits is four-tenths of 1% as bright as our sun, and with its close orbit it receives 2% of the sunlight earth receives

So that's crap science, right there.  The "artist's impression" of the surface is deeply misleading.

Life is, by its very nature and definition, an endothermic phenomenon.
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:24 pm

More crap science where every unexplained rock is evidence of an alien probe. Occam's razor.
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:32 pm

Perhaps look at Scientific American rather than the New Yorker.

6 Strange Facts about the Interstellar Visitor 'Oumuamua
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:45 pm


  1. Asteroids should be rare.  'Oumuamua appeared.  Does that mean asteroids are not rare?  No, it means 'Oumuamua appeared.*

  2. 'Oumuamua was moving slowly and our solar system intersected it.  Does that mean anything?  No, it doesn't.

  3. 'Oumuamua was moving slowly and our solar system intersected it.  Does that mean anything?  No, it still doesn't.

  4. 'Oumuamua wasn't round.  Of course it was only 548' across so we shouldn't expect it to be round.

  5. 'Oumuamua was cold.  Of course it was only 548' across so we shouldn't expect it to be warm.

  6. 'Oumuamua followed a path within 99.9% of predicted.  That 0.1% difference has scientists puzzled.  Is it something we don't understand or is it Martians?  Must be Martians.


Scientific American wrote:
There is no doubt that the six peculiar features of ‘Oumuamua have the potential to usher in a dramatic new era in space science.
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Accounting for Vega's proper motion, it would have taken ʻOumuamua 600,000 years to reach the Solar System from Vega.[30] But as a nearby star, Vega was not in the same part of the sky at that time.[41] Astronomers calculate that one hundred years ago the object was 561 ± 0.6 AU (83.9 ± 0.090 billion km; 52.1 ± 0.056 billion mi) from the Sun and traveling at 26.33 km/s with respect to the Sun.[9] This interstellar speed is very close to the mean motion of material in the Milky Way in the neighborhood of the Sun, also known as the local standard of rest (LSR), and especially close to the mean motion of a relatively close group of red dwarf stars. This velocity profile also indicates an extrasolar origin, but appears to rule out the closest dozen stars.[55] In fact, the strong correlation between ʻOumuamua's velocity and the local standard of rest might mean that it has circulated the Milky Way several times and thus may have originated from an entirely different part of the galaxy.


* - Oh crap.
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Astronomers estimate that several interstellar objects of extrasolar origin (like ‘Oumuamua) pass inside the orbit of Earth each year,[51] and that 10,000 are passing inside the orbit of Neptune on any given day.[94] If the estimate is correct, this provides future opportunities for studies of interstellar objects.
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:00 pm

Popular Mechanics, on January 25, 2019, wrote:
A lot of the rocks we have on Earth aare pretty old, but none of them were around when our planet was first formed. The Earth itself is around 4.5 billion years old, and the oldest rocks we’ve ever found are a little over half that age. That seems to have changed, however, because a group of scientists recently announced they’ve found a rock that formed only half a billion years after the Earth itself. The twist is that this particular rock wasn’t discovered on Earth at all. It was found on the moon.

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In 1999, the oldest known rock on Earth was dated to 4.031 ±0.003 billion years, and is part of the Acasta Gneiss of the Slave craton in northwestern Canada.
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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:28 am

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PostSubject: Re: The State of Crap Science in the Trump Era   Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:59 pm

The exoplanets that could be mankind's new home

We don't need to take care of planet Earth. We'll just hop in a spaceship and move everybody 40 light years away. Rolling Eyes
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