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PostSubject: Re: Mueller Impanels a Grand Jury   Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:53 pm

Lawyers say this latest legal problem for Trump is serious. Jail time serious.
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PostSubject: Re: Mueller Impanels a Grand Jury   Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:37 am

About time. One of the most obnoxious claims during the election campaign was asserting (evidence-free) there was some scandal about the Clinton foundation, which has done massive good works around the world, and which the Clintons contribute to. Meanwhile the Trump "foundation", which Trump barely contributes to, was buying artwork to be installed in Trump properties, bribing at least one AG (in Florida) to drop a lawsuit against Trump, and not doing any charitable work that anybody's ever noticed. Fucking scumbag doesn't quite cover my opinion of Trump.
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PostSubject: Re: Mueller Impanels a Grand Jury   Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:44 am

Will The Donald ask The Vlad to extradite these twelve criminals on the 16th?
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PostSubject: Re: Mueller Impanels a Grand Jury   Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:50 am

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PostSubject: Re: Mueller Impanels a Grand Jury   Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:44 am

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Will The Donald ask The Vlad to extradite these twelve criminals on the 16th?

I saw a headline this morning which basically had Trump saying "I never thought of that".
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PostSubject: Re: Mueller Impanels a Grand Jury   Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:53 am

If he asks -- which is doubtful -- Putin's response would be very instructive.

He CLAIMS the Russian government had nothing to do with the hacking.  So, in theory, he should be happy to turn over these Russian CPB agents.  But they're known to have ties with Russian military, which of course is a branch of the Russian government.  So he probably wouldn't turn anyone over (they might turn state's evidence).

Which would leave both Vlad -- and The Donald -- in a very public, very sticky pickle.

Mueller & Rosenstein have been very clever so far, giving Trump enough rope to hang himself without coming out with any presidential indictments. As I stated earlier, the investigation probably has enough detail to invalidate the 2016 election, which would provoke a constitutional crisis. The only option may be to set traps for the Moron-In-Chief knowing that he's dumb enough to fall for each and every one of them.
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PostSubject: Re: Mueller Impanels a Grand Jury   Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:25 pm

The Moron-In-Chief is now trying to rewrite the law.

Mueller should have a field day with this Bozo (after January 20).
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PostSubject: Re: Mueller Impanels a Grand Jury   Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:39 pm

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I think it’s entirely possible that not only has Mueller uncovered felony behavior which would send most of the Trump Administration to jail, but he MAY have uncovered evidence of election fraud or tampering which would invalidate the election. Descending the line of succession would create utter chaos.

I made a bet with Mrs. NoCo that Nancy Pelosi would be ascending to the presidency (by rights of succession) before year's end.

Anybody care to join the bet?
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PostSubject: Re: Mueller Impanels a Grand Jury   Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:54 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Mueller Impanels a Grand Jury   Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:01 am

As Mueller probe winds down, House Trump investigation powers up

Here's my theory.  The House Intel committee gets classified behind-closed-doors briefings from Mueller's SCO.  With his agreement/suggestion, they are taking PARTS of his findings and opening public investigations into his areas of inquiry, to soften the blow to our democracy and prepare the public for sweeping indictments of almost everyone in charge.  Trump's administration is going to jail, en masse, and maybe even the election was rigged.

Pelosi will be president by December.
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I can understand why the idea of meaningful oversight terrifies the President. Several of his close associates are going to jail, others await trial, and criminal investigations continue.
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PostSubject: Re: Mueller Impanels a Grand Jury   Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:49 am

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The alt-right blogosphere is now buzzing with the meme that it would be inappropriate for Mueller's probe to investigate the president's financial dealings from 5 or 10 years ago.  Obviously there is great fear that Mueller will find money laundering and Foreign Practices Act violations and indications that Donald's "multi-billion dollar empire" is actually a couple hundred mil leveraged to the hilt.

Unbeweavable. How do these creeps sleep at night?
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PostSubject: Re: Mueller Impanels a Grand Jury   Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:22 pm

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I made a bet with Mrs. NoCo that Nancy Pelosi would be ascending to the presidency (by rights of succession) before year's end.

Anybody care to join the bet?
Elizabeth Warren is all in on my bet.
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PostSubject: Re: Mueller Impanels a Grand Jury   Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:06 am

Lindsay Graham may have to adjust his thinking when the "coup" comes from the Justice Department and is overwhelming in its evidence and sweeping in its scope.

How will he react when a Democrat ends up in the White House?

Well, hopefully it won't matter. He'll be wearing an orange jumpsuit too.
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PostSubject: Re: Mueller Impanels a Grand Jury   Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:29 pm

Mueller probe may wrap next week

About time, if true, and not a moment too soon.  Now will it be bombshells, with orange jumpsuits all around, or will it be disappointingly noncommittal?  Only time will tell....

On Rachel Maddow last night she speculated that with all the Russian collusion indictments so far being funneled to the New York Southern District Court, it's possible that THEY will issue any indictments to administration officials in the matter.  This is significant, because 1) as a state court, Trump's pardon power has no effect on what they do, and 2) as a state court, they are not bound by the DOJ opinion that sitting presidents cannot be indicted while in office.

Yesterday Kellyanne Conway floated the possibility that Mueller's investigation could close out without even delivering a final report but I have to think this is Trumpian magical thinking.  Mueller is much more studied and serious than that.  He wouldn't have wasted the past 22 months if there was nothing to deliver.

And once his findings are made public -- or even if they're only delivered in classified briefings to the House Intelligence Committee -- heads will begin to roll.

I suspect.

And hope.
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PostSubject: Re: Mueller Impanels a Grand Jury   Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:29 pm

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Which raises the interesting constitutional question: if BOTH Trump and Pence are indicted for high crimes and misdemeanors, does Paul Ryan assume the presidency?

I would assume not, since being indicted -- even convicted -- is not automatic grounds for removal.  That old 2/3 vote for impeachment is still the only process for removing a president.

And/or vice president.

And this Congress will not be impeaching anyone.

The unindictability of the president is by no means settled.  Rachel tonight delivered an hour-long Special Report on the 1973 basis of this, and in 1973 this DOJ policy was formulated SPECIFICALLY to get Spiro Agnew removed from office before Nixon was indicted, because Spiro was facing ten counts of felony indictment of his own,unrelated to Watergate, but having to do with an ongoing bribery and kickback scandal.  The DOJ didn't want to remove one bad actor (Nixon) only to have another bad actor (Agnew) inherit the office.

Pelosi, and Schumer, and various other Democrats involved, all have said they believe the president CAN be indicted.  This legal issue has never been tested before.

But, if the president is indicted, and stands trial for federal crimes, will he remain in office?  Is an impeachment the only way to remove him?  An impeachment would require 20 Republicans to vote against him in the Senate.

I suspect -- without any proof -- that one of the reasons Mueller's report has been so delayed is that his SOC has been looking into this question, and has finally come up with an answer.

Hopefully, the answer is that no US citizen is above the law.  If a federal employee is found guilty of a felony, they can and should lose their job (and security clearance).

Regardless of who they are, or what office they hold.  

THAT would be the only reading of statute that preserves the Rule of Law.
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PostSubject: Re: Mueller Impanels a Grand Jury   Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:32 am

I read somewhere yesterday that the rule about not indicting a sitting President might be true at the Federal level, but New York doesn't have any such restriction. And on QorA today, somebody commented that what Trump fears most is a RICO indictment for fraud, based on all the criminal shit that the Trump Organization has done over the last 35 years (mostly money-laundering). A lot might skate by due to statute of limitations concerns, but not all of it. And Trump's direct fingerprints don't have to be on the cash to get him ensnared in RICO - that's how they get the heads of crime families (and is something Mueller is well-familiar with).
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PostSubject: Re: Mueller Impanels a Grand Jury   Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:05 pm

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Mueller probe may wrap next week.
DOJ made a rare public statement today: "Not this week.  Not next week either."

Heavy sigh.
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PostSubject: Re: Mueller Impanels a Grand Jury   Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:41 am

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Petition by Darin Peacock
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Make the Mueller Report in full available to the American public!


We, as American citizens, deserve to know the full truth about these grave investigational issues concerning our President of these United States whether the truth is good, bad, or ugly so that we can preserve liberty and justice for all. We, the American public, as citizens and taxpayers demand to see the full investigational report for full transparency.

You might as well start a petition to lower the force of gravity, so everybody finally loses some weight.  Not everything in a democracy is up for public vote.
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