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PostSubject: Honeywell Lyric   Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:07 am

Although I'm happy with the Nest thermostat in this house, I've been seeing competing products come on the market that do essentially the same things for a lot less money.

Case in point, the Honeywell Lyric. It's $150 instead of $250.

So we bought one to try out at the new house. Couldn't get it to power up last night, but then the furnace seems to be turned off too. Breaker is on, but as soon as you flip the switch on the furnace itself it starts to power up and then shuts right down. We'll have to see what's going on. The gas valve shows gas is on. It worked last week.

Lyric has a phone app, same as Nest.

Will report back on capabilities.
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PostSubject: Re: Honeywell Lyric   Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:08 pm

Reinstalled old thermostat, furnace started working again.

Next up: a call to Honeywell.
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PostSubject: Re: Honeywell Lyric   Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:23 am

Not every furnace will work with every thermostat.
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PostSubject: Re: Honeywell Lyric   Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:11 pm

Update: in late April I called Honeywell, and they walked me through moving the green wire -- which is used for activating the fan separately -- over to the ground connection, which I didn't have but needed.  Don't need the fan.

But the Lyric 'stat still didn't work because it requires wi-fi for setup(!)

So I didn't actually get to set it up until Comcast moved my service yesterday.  The setup was straight-forward, the functions logical, and the capabilities very similar to Nest.  I'll kinda miss Nest's intuitive temperature change -- grab the rim and rotate it up or down -- but Lyric's "+" and "-" touch screen controls aren't bad either.

Everything worked first time, and well.

Both have iOS apps that allow you to control the temp from anywhere.
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PostSubject: Re: Honeywell Lyric   Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:20 am

I might be pulling the Honeywell off the wall this weekend and replacing it with a Nest.

The damn thing can't remember its programming.  I set it to fall back to 55º at nighttime, and come on during the day.  But I keep waking up at 4:00am to find it heating the house to 68º.   It's done that SEVERAL times.  Check the programming, check the mode, check the time -- all good.  But for some reason(?) the furnace is on in the middle of the fucking night.  Often!
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PostSubject: Re: Honeywell Lyric   Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:04 am

New operating theory.

The damn thermostat came on at 3:00am again today so I got pissed, got up at 4, and completely REMOVED the schedule programming. Figured I'd run the furnace manually for a few days.

However, once I'd removed the schedule, the thermostat continued to follow a schedule just like the one I'd removed!

Is it possible there were two or more concurrent schedules running? Time will tell.
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PostSubject: Re: Honeywell Lyric   Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:41 am

Uh nope.

On again this AM at 4:30 when my alarm went off.

Damn!
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PostSubject: Re: Honeywell Lyric   Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:06 pm

Went back to "factory reset" and re-created the schedule from scratch. We'll see tomorrow a.m.
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PostSubject: Re: Honeywell Lyric   Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:38 am

Yay.
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PostSubject: Re: Honeywell Lyric   Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:31 pm

Grrr. Not fixed yet. Piece of shit.
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PostSubject: Re: Honeywell Lyric   Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:37 pm

I love tech. I love good gadgets. But I fucking hate tech gadgets that don't work perfectly first time, every time. There's no excuse for it except a shitty design and/or manufacturing process.

My cheap shit (less than $100) thermostat is programmable and has never failed.

As a rule of thumb, I reject anything that has blue tooth or wi-fi but could work fine without it.





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PostSubject: Re: Honeywell Lyric   Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:44 am

"ADAPTIVE RECOVERY"

Setting the thermostat to come on at 6:00am didn't work, so Thursday night I tried 6:30 -- figuring maybe the factory default had something weird about it. That didn't fix the problem.

So I thought I'd try another idea I had Friday night. The thermostat schedule has four periods: Wake, Away, Home & Sleep. It's designed for working folks. So instead of coming on at "Wake" I cancelled that period and set it to come on at "Home." That didn't fix the problem.

So this morning I pulled out the original owner's manual and read it again cover-to-cover. Nothing.

I opened up the Lyric app on my phone and explored every option. Nothing.

However....

Going in to the software, where you tell it what kind of Honeywell Lyric you have and enter the serial number -- what is a one-time set-up -- there's a ON-OFF option for something called "Adaptive Recovery" which is described as "Start heating and cooling early so that you will be comfortable at the time you scheduled." Could this be the reason my furnace comes on at 3:00am? I turned it OFF to verify. We'll see tomorrow morning.

This feature is not mentioned in the owner's manual. This feature is not mention in the manual setup. The feature is not mentioned in the remote setup using a smart phone.

PISS-POOR design.
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PostSubject: Re: Honeywell Lyric   Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:58 am

Huh. Another iPhone app option not mentioned in the owner's manual is something called "Geo-fence." I assume it works with your iPhone's GPS to trigger the "Away" mode whenever you're outside the geo-fence area, which defaults to about a 5-mile circle.

If I don't have "Away" programmed not sure what it'll do. And since there are two of us, it might not be all that useful anyway.

But I turned it on just to see if it works.
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PostSubject: Re: Honeywell Lyric   Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:04 am

The term "adaptive recovery" is a bit of a misnomer.  It doesn't adapt to anything.  You have to SET IT.  It might remember how long it takes to heat the house (although I don't know where it would get the outside temperature...)  Maybe it takes the existing setback temp and knows how long it takes to get to the desired temp.

The NEST on the other hand had true adaptive technology.  If you came home at 4:45 every day, the proximity sensors in the thermostat would sense your presence (it lights up every time you walk past it) and it would adjust the schedule accordingly.  Was this overkill?  Perhaps.  But it worked.
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PostSubject: Re: Honeywell Lyric   Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:19 am

With Adaptive Recovery turned off, the thermostat has operated this week as I wanted it to: comes on at six am, off at six pm.

Shouldn't have been this hard!
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