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PostSubject: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:21 pm

Not a surprise, but most people haven't thought about it.

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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:10 pm

Same old ethics conundrum with a new type of trolley.
And the legal questions are also interesting, or at least problematic.
When you're in an accident, can you be held liable?
If the car is going too fast, can you get a ticket?
etc.

Fucking self-driving cars is possibly the worst application ever for computers.
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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:46 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:03 am

As Uber rolls out self-driving cars, its human drivers are worried

As are some of the rest of us.
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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:31 am

Not only the displaced drivers should be worried. So should all other drivers and pedestrians. And anyone whose home or business is close to the street.

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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:21 pm

You're paranoid.

Self-driving cars have killed, what, one person? In how many millions of miles? And that person was an idiot?
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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:46 pm

Do you want to ride in a car that is controlled by the decisions made by the producers of the sensors and software that control the car? Do you want to depend on the hardware in that self-driving car being in perfect condition and the software not having a single bug?

Can you not think of a scenario in which a self-driving car may encounter a situation which it is not able to manage properly, but which a human could respond correctly? Remember, every decision for the self-driving car has already been made; the computer in the car simply implements those decisions.

Self-driving cars will be practical - and safe - when the roadways they traverse have been designed specifically for them. As long as these robotic transit machines have to share roads designed for and shared with human drivers, they - and the rest of us - will not be safe.

And just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not after me.
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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:07 pm

..."it'll come sooner than people think."

2020 perhaps.
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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:04 pm

Or perhaps today, in Singapore.
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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:57 am

The concept of self-driving cars is fine. The manner in which they are being rolled out is abysmal.
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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:42 pm

Mercedes answers autonomous car moral dilemma: Yeah, we'll just run over pedestrians
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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:01 pm

People aren't an endangered species.
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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:08 pm

NoCoPilot wrote:
People aren't an endangered species.
Individually, they are.
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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:49 pm

We need to cull the herd.
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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:00 pm

Just out of curiosity: Have you ever looked up the word cynical in the dictionary?
Perhaps I should have asked you about misanthropic
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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Wed Dec 14, 2016 12:52 pm

Uber puts more driverless cars on the road
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Uber has launched a trial of its self-driving cars in San Francisco, following on from its debut of the pilot scheme in Pittsburgh in September.

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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:42 pm

Another solution looking for a problem.
Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:47 pm

Uber pulls self-driving cars from California roads
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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:09 pm

I hope they keep the Uber cars - and all other self-driving cars - off the road. Fucking idiotic, dangerous, needless idea.
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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:35 am

A friend told me this morning that he was in a fender bender a couple of weeks ago. He was driving in a parking lot and another car just backed out into him. No one was injured, and it only cost around $5,000 to fix his car.

The other driver got out of his car and apologized, He said that he just hadn't looked. He was driving a rental car which didn't have the warning device his car had on it. He had gotten used to his own car warning him if there was anything behind him when he put the car in reverse. The rental didn't have that feature, and he had gotten out of the habit of checking.

No, it wasn't the car's fault, but it is illustrative of one of the problems that can be created with dependence on so-called smart cars.
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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:00 pm

Not the automobile's fault.
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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:08 pm

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No, it wasn't the car's fault,...

I guess you missed this bit.
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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:09 pm

Problems such as this one are the result of bad engineering. The characteristics of human drivers must be taken into account when making changes to the mechanical aspects of the cars. In this case, the idea that a warning beep is a sufficient replacement for looking in the mirror is incorrect.

For an example: our daughter's car has a rear view mirror which contains a display of the rear-facing camera in half of the mirror when the car is in reverse. The camera can pick up low lying objects that are not visible in the mirror or by looking out the back window. This provides the same feature as the warning beep without the driver getting out of the habit of looking in the mirror when backing up. Much better engineering.

Simply saying, "Not the automobile's fault" is very similar to the arguments of the NRA, and equally specious.
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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:09 am

Why limit self-driving to the car you're in? Lexus April Fools joke:
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PostSubject: Re: Your Self-Driving Car Will Be Programmed to Kill You—Deal With It   Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:18 pm

That's great. I wonder how many people will ask for that option on their Lexi. (Lexi is the plural of Lexus, isn't it?)
The sad part is that a lot of people will think that's a good idea.
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