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PostSubject: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptyFri Jan 15, 2016 3:13 pm

Wires are like mold - you leave them alone long enough and they take over.

Tomorrow I am going to fix this. No, I really am.

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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptySat Jan 16, 2016 8:17 am

Funny you should mention that.  A couple days ago when I pulled out my dad's old computer, and my sister's old laptop, I had to dig into my bin of power cords and power supplies.

Now, several months ago I had carefully wrapped all these up in velcro and stored them in plastic bins.  I made sure there were no loose tails hanging out to get tangled, no unwrapped cords, nothing that would allow those sneaky cords to begin interweaving and creating an incestuous mess.

Yet.

When I pulled off the lids of my bins, inside I found an amorphous goo of intertwined wires that took me 20 minutes to extricate one power cord and one power supply.

I kid you not.

The velcro lay crumpled up in the bottom of the bin, along with a white foamy fluid and several, what appeared to be, used condoms.  I can't imagine what was going on.
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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptySat Jan 16, 2016 6:34 pm

I would rather not think about that too much.

BTW: Greetings from my new Windows 7 Pro box.
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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptySun Jan 17, 2016 7:38 am

You misspelled "shit."
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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptySun Jan 17, 2016 2:24 pm

Oh, come on. Let me have a little fun with my new toy before you rip it apart.
This is my first new computer in twelve years, and the very first one I have bought just for the hell of it. Every other one was a job requirement and was purchased for work.

Regardless which OS it is running, the little bastard is fast. 4.0 GHz 6th gen i7 processor with 16 GB of 2133MHz RAM. And I have a 500GB SSD coming to speed things up even more.

So far, I have only found one of my old programs that won't run. But I do have a whole bunch left to verify.

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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptySun Jan 17, 2016 2:30 pm

Can you stream You Tube?

'Nuff said.
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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptySun Jan 17, 2016 2:46 pm

You would have to talk to AT&T about that.

Not Microsoft; Not Apple; Not Dell -- AT&FUCKINGT.

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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptySun Jan 17, 2016 3:05 pm

My mistake. Your Ford GT-40 *will* carry groceries.
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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptySun Jan 17, 2016 4:33 pm

The GT-40 is a thing of the past, sad to say.

I don't understand the reference, anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptySun Jan 17, 2016 5:42 pm

You're happy with it; that's all that matters.  Ignore my insouciant cheek. I'm just being a dick.
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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptyMon Jan 18, 2016 9:44 am

I'm not happy with it just yet. I'm fine with the hardware, but it's been a long time since I've had to set up a computer. Moving from a very old box to a new one is not much fun.
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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptyMon Jan 18, 2016 1:51 pm

Try moving from Windows to Apple -- all new software!
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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptyMon Jan 18, 2016 3:19 pm

Yeah, I can imagine.

I have almost that problem. Most of the programs on the old box are very old, so I am installing new versions of those. And, of course, I'm moving from a 32-bit machine to 64 bits, so I am getting all new programs that have 64-bit versions available.

Some of the old programs do not have 64-bit versions and the 32-bits are not compatible, so I have to find alternatives for those. I used to enjoy this kind of crap, but it's no longer any fun.

The SSD came today, so as soon as the new box is in a reasonable state, I will see how that little rascal works. I just got a 250GB SSD for the system drive. If that works as well as it I hope, I will get a large one for the secondary drive. I'll stick with a spinner for the tertiary drive.
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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptyMon Jan 18, 2016 5:37 pm

250gb. Remember when 256kb was massive???
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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptyMon Jan 18, 2016 5:48 pm

I remember when RAM was about a dollar a byte.

The first hard drive I bought was 5 megabytes for $3,000.
When CD-ROM drives came out, I got a call from Microsoft typing to sell me one for $3,500.

And remember: those were old, more valuable dollars than what we have now.

This stuff is so cheap today I can hardly believe it.
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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptyMon Jan 18, 2016 6:40 pm

I know. I remember when you had to print stuff off to save it, to make room on your hard drive (or floppy...) to do different work.
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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptyTue Jan 19, 2016 12:06 pm

Yeah, I still have a box of 14-inch green stripe pin-drive paper.
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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptyTue Jan 19, 2016 5:54 pm

Well, the transfer of programs from the old box went well, but the finding of Win7-compatible programs for those that wouldn't work is less than satisfying.

Ordered a bunch of cables to properly position all the equipment, and that will help (I hate not having the new box plugged into the UPS). I'll just leave the old XP machine connected to the LAN and resort to that when necessary.

I am very pleased with the performance of the new machine. I wonder if I can get a version of OS-X to run on this box just for grins. They all use the same hardware now.

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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptyTue Jan 19, 2016 6:32 pm

I've never heard of an OS-X kernel for Windows. You can get a version of Windows to run under OS-X but not vice versa.

So far as I know.

I believe OS-X has an underlying architecture which is, how do I put this? More capable? Stricter controlled? Anyway, you can't shoehorn it into a Windows box.
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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptyTue Jan 19, 2016 6:43 pm

You apparently don't understand the process. Windows can be installed on the mac, making it a dual boot machine. You can then boot into OS-X or Windows; it is not a matter of Windows running under OS-X.

The underlying architecture of OS-X is UNIX BSD, which dates back to 1969. BSD was a project to distribute free versions of UNIX.

I won't get into a discussion of the relative capabilities of UNIX vs Windows. I will say that I was programming on UNIX systems before there was an Apple computer or an IBM PC. I liked UNIX.
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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptyTue Jan 19, 2016 7:05 pm

Yeah that sounds about right. I'm not enough of a techie to know the difference between the underlying architectures.

But I did find this:
http://lifehacker.com/5938332/how-to-run-mac-os-x-on-any-windows-pc-using-virtualbox
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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptyWed Jan 20, 2016 3:52 pm

That article is a little misleading. The kernel of an operating is - for the most part - the bit that knows about the hardware. Windows is using the kernel that was written for Windows NT years ago. For its kernel, Apple is using a version of UNIX that is even older than the NT kernel. Both of those pieces of software are excellent. The biggest difference in the two systems is the user interface, and that great mass of software that lives between the US and the kernel. What the hosting programs in the article do is to provide some code that modifies and/or redirects the kernel's operations so that the add-on OS can communicate with the hardware. It's really just that simple.

In my journey to move to a new box, I have now got the scanner and printer working. All I had to do was plug in the device and turn it on. Windows automagically identified the device and downloaded and installed the drivers. All I had to do was then install the applications to interface with the drivers. Piece of cake.

I am left with just one piece of hardware to install - the UPS. That may be problematic because the company that built it, Belkin, went out of the UPS business some years ago. Not a big deal, though. The UPS will still work without the monitoring program.

And just one piece of software, a news leeching program, that may or may not be a big pain in the ass. It's easy to get several programs that will work, but the one I want is probably not going to be available.

That vendor I mentioned in another post, monoprice.com, is a lifesaver. Yesterday afternoon, I ordered some stuff from them and it was here about noon today. Out-fucking-standing.
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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptyWed Jan 20, 2016 7:08 pm

Recognizing printers and scanners sure has become easier in the last twenty years -- no more loading drivers from diskettes, or going out to the web for drivers.

Tell us what the new box does that the old one wouldn't.
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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptyThu Jan 21, 2016 8:28 am

Nothing, really. It's just a damned computer. But it does everything faster and it's not twelve years old.
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PostSubject: Re: ARRRGGGHH!!   ARRRGGGHH!! EmptyFri Jan 22, 2016 1:24 pm

NoCoPilot wrote:
Recognizing printers and scanners sure has become easier in the last twenty years -- no more loading drivers from diskettes, or going out to the web for drivers.

Unless you have a peripheral device for which the vendors don't supply drivers for the latest OS.

NoCoPilot wrote:
Tell us what the new box does that the old one wouldn't.
Well, it will connect to my phone via bluetooth. Of course there's nothing to do with it, but it is something the old box wouldn't do.
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