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PostSubject: God-Botherers   Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:34 pm

Bertrand Russell wrote:
Are you never afraid of God's judgment in denying Him?

Most certainly not. I also deny Zeus and Jupiter and Odin and Brahma, but this causes me no qualms. I observe that a very large portion of the human race does not believe in God and suffers no visible punishment in consequence. And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence.
This quote from Russell points up the silliness many god-botherers spout about god hiding, and using his non-appearance as some kind of test, where onlyTrue Believers can divine his existence despite all evidence to the contrary.  The nobility of faith and all that.

I find it perfectly ridiculous.

I mean, if I were a supreme being and I wanted people to worship me, I sure-as-fuck would make them aware of my desire!
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PostSubject: Re: God-Botherers   Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:43 pm

He also, in 1953, did a pretty good job of calling out Islamic jihadists.
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There have been base and cruel passions, which religion opposes. If you abandon religious principles, could mankind exist?

The existence of base and cruel passions is undeniable, but I find no evidence in history that religion has opposed these passions. On the contrary, it has sanctified them, and enabled people to indulge them without remorse. Cruel persecutions have been commoner in Christendom than anywhere else. What appears to justify persecution is dogmatic belief. Kindliness and tolerance only prevail in proportion as dogmatic belief decays. In our day, a new dogmatic religion, namely, communism, has arisen. To this, as to other systems of dogma, the agnostic is opposed. The persecuting character of present day communism is exactly like the persecuting character of Christianity in earlier centuries. In so far as Christianity has become less persecuting, this is mainly due to the work of freethinkers who have made dogmatists rather less dogmatic. If they were as dogmatic now as in former times, they would still think it right to burn heretics at the stake. The spirit of tolerance which some modern Christians regard as essentially Christian is, in fact, a product of the temper which allows doubt and is suspicious of absolute certainties. I think that anybody who surveys past history in an impartial manner will be driven to the conclusion that religion has caused more suffering than it has prevented.
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PostSubject: Re: God-Botherers   Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:08 pm

I don't see anything in that quote that "call[s]out Islamic jihadists" except in the broadest sense of criticizing religion in general.

As much as I have always respected Russell, he does show an unusual weakness in following the political ranting of the day with the statement, "In our day, a new dogmatic religion, namely, communism, has arisen." I believe that capitalism would better fit in that statement, both then and now. But it was 1953, and the American "Red Scare" was running full throttle.
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