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PostSubject: This makes me mad   This makes me mad EmptySat Feb 23, 2013 11:07 am

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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad   This makes me mad EmptySat Feb 23, 2013 3:44 pm

"This makes me mad"?

The part that should make people screaming mad is the condescension and fucking ill-will that is the hallmark of the government greed.
“...in the wealthiest nation on Earth, no one who works full-time should have to live in poverty"
(Did that sound believable guys?... play it back, I want to see my expression... yeah, I'm good there.
Yet again, let us remember to thank the feckless and completely confused masses, whose weakness continues to astound, while we
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"God bless America".

We have to assume he know what Bill Moyers knows.
What does that make our president?
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad   This makes me mad EmptySun Feb 24, 2013 9:10 am

"Working full time" presumably means 40 hrs/wk 52 wks/yr = 2,080 hours. At current MW ($7.25) that's $15,080/yr.

At $9/hr it'd be $18,720/yr.

Federal poverty definitions include all sorts of calculations but a rough rule of thumb gives $23,050/yr for a family of four. That works out to a MW of $11.08/hr.

Welfare benefits - with all their requirements and restrictions - for that same family of four average out to about half of what it takes to be in poverty.

MW has declined in real value since the War on Poverty began.
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The number of people in the U.S. who are in poverty is increasing to record levels with the ranks of working-age poor approaching 1960s levels that led to the national War on Poverty.
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According to the U.S. Census Bureau data released Tuesday September 13, 2011, the nation's poverty rate rose to 15.1% (46.2 million) in 2010,[2] up from 14.3% (approximately 43.6 million) in 2009 and to its highest level since 1993. In 2008, 13.2% (39.8 million) Americans lived in relative poverty.[3] In 2000, the poverty rate for individuals was 12.2% and for families was 9.3%.[4] In November 2012 the U.S. Census Bureau said more than 16% of the population was impoverished, and almost 20% of American children live in poverty.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad   This makes me mad EmptyMon Feb 25, 2013 3:59 pm

The level of the Minimum Wage isn't the problem. The problem is unfettered capitalism.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad   This makes me mad EmptyMon Feb 25, 2013 4:30 pm

_Howard wrote:
The problem is unfettered capitalism.
The problems with the American economy are many and varied and deep. Easy answers are wrong answers.

That said, I think the MW is one sub-problem which could be correctly fairly easily, and it would do a lot of good.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad   This makes me mad EmptyMon Feb 25, 2013 5:07 pm

NoCoPilot wrote:
The problems with the American economy are many and varied and deep. Easy answers are wrong answers.
Look at the problems. The source of the problems is the economic model and its rampant, built-in corruption. There is no easy answer, because the root of the problem is considered sacrosanct by the masses. Their acceptance of the propaganda spewed by those who take advantage of their naivete precludes any solution of the problems.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad   This makes me mad EmptyMon Feb 25, 2013 9:39 pm

Lisa wrote:
The part that should make people screaming mad is the condescension and fucking ill-will that is the hallmark of the government greed.
Well, yeah, but that's sort of a bigger conversation that what I was addressing here. Also, government isn't really that greedy. People in government occasionally are but I see greed as a corporate thing. Which I expect. What I do not expect is that greed will be allowed to run rampant and is often confused with patriotism or a market. That I find weird.


NoCo wrote:
At $9/hr it'd be $18,720/yr
And that's gross. That's not actually what the family has to work with.



While I don't consider MW the only problem it would help a lot for an economy like this one that is run off people buying things to also be an economy where the poor were helped with money for those things. WalMart may bitch about paying their taxes and giving benefits but without SNAP and government subsidizing worker pay WalMart couldn't exist at the profit levels it does now.

Which is also part of what pisses me off. It's pretty clear the rest of us subsidize corporate profits by helping these workers with benefits and programs. I think it's about time we put that cost back onto the backs of the profit makers rather than the government and ourselves.

It also pisses me off that people can work all the fucking time and not make enough to live. It's wrong.
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